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But the president doesn't agree with you. he says that they're good people. he had great relationships with them and rogue killers are as likely an explanation for what happened to khashoggi as anything. and that he says he had nothing to do with it and he believes him. do you swallow it as quickly as the president does? >> well, i think the president is right in that there could be multiple elements acting within the saudi government. remember, even though it is a monarchy, it is a kingdom, the government doesn't act monolithically. there are different elements of the government. now the -- >...

Explanation for what happened to khashoggi as anything and that salman says he had nothing to do with it and he believes him. do you swallow it as quickly as the president does? >> well, i think the president is right in that there could be multiple elements acting within the saudi government. remember, even though it is a monarchy it is a kingdom, the government doesn't act monolithically. there are different elements. >> you think guys would fly to turkey on private planes, be greeted by staff at the consulate as if expected, go in there and interrogate somebody and somehow wind up chopping ...