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>> part of the strategy was to spin it off to get it to the district of new york. >> they want the evidence. >> they may get it. >> i was just saying -- >> but the narrative, it's not about the special counsel, all the smear attacks on the partisans doesn't apply now because it is a southern district of new york, a different chunk of the justice department. that has complicated the ability to defend trump in the right wing media circles by vilifying mueller. and it has to be adding to the tension about -- you are saying what is michael cohen's mind-set? he is sweating, obviously. the question ...

Counseling about sexuality. what do you make of that? is it worthwhile to you the legislature would clarify this? when they have something big in front of them it raises problems. >> the drafter of the bill and sponsor says it does not apply to books, doesn't apply to the bible. this is about consumer protection action being taken by the state of california to say it is harmful into many people offensive practice, so-called conversion therapy, something that is harmful. in the opinion of california legislature is fraudulent, so they are banning it in the commercial sphere. it does not prohibit...

Circuiting this entire process. and i think that is what he is going to do ultimately, take the fifth. >> no. no. >> can i finish allen. which is the president will denounce the process. it is a witch hunt. he doesn't want anything to do with this. there is nothing mueller can do if the president -- >> of course there is. he gives him immunity. >> never going to get the president immunity. >> let me tell you why. because an immunity doesn't apply in the impeachment proceeding. and no matter what rosenstein you are not going to get a reversal. now you can indict him, now you can prosecute him. ...

Ask about motive because i think it is relevant. but the larger point is, i think the president has a way of short circuiting this entire process. and i think that is what he is going to do ultimately, take the fifth. >> no. no. >> can i finish allen. which is the president will denounce the process. it is a witch hunt. he doesn't want anything to do with this. there is nothing mueller can do if the president -- >> of course there is. he gives him immunity. >> never going to get the president immunity. >> let me tell you why. because an immunity doesn't apply in the impeachment proceeding. and...

>> give him immunity. >> so jeff, why would he take the fifth if that is the case? >> because the mueller's office will never give him immunity. they are not going to give him the opportunity to excuse from any criminal prosecution down the road. that is what immunity means, never be used against you. the idea that this central figure is going to be excused from any kind of criminal liability. >> if the department of justice believes that a president cannot be indicted then why would they, did the mueller team somehow fight that? >> more over it is not transaction immunity, it is use immunity....