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Doesn't bode well. challenger came out this week with an announcement that-- layoff announcements are up 41%. >> neil: so why is this there dichotomy between average folks and one consumer confidence survey out very high, but bosses, guys like you, not nearly so confident? tactful in fact, very dower. i generally worry when my boss is depress and i wonder why should i be happy? >> the industrial economy right now is so uncertain. look, if -- let's talk about this election and going forward. as i see it, 2013 or 14, we've got four, if you will, question marks. the first two, the fiscal cliff ev...

Pander to that way that in the long term doesn't bode well. >> when you talk about the demographic projections, if you look at the immigration part of this platform is extremely radical. i mean -- >> and would defund texas universitys. >> yes, de-fund texas universities because there's a dream act. we'll talk more about that. thank you to michelle goldberg, ta-nehisi coates, and jay smooth. thank you for getting "up." thank you for joining us today for "up." joining us tomorrow, michael steele live from tampa to preview the republican convention along with joan walsh, whose news book is called...

Very strong case to make those are the policies that got us into this mess. why would we continue those policies again. >> i know that is the democrat line of argument but remember, president bush signed into law two waves of tax cuts in 2001 and '03 with bipartisan support that led to 54 months consecutive job creation and economic growth. a lot of people would say let's go back to those policies. governor romney has detailed plan with tax cuts, tax reform, lowering the corporate tax rate, entitlement reform. spending cuts but pro-growth economic policies. >> hear is the problem for governor ...

Still hold out for that 5%. swing states matter. together, pennsylvania and ohio are 38 electoral votes. ohio right now is in a statistical tie for romney and obama. obviously, the flirtation with portman could help put ohio staunchly in the category of romney, but you know, that being said, earlier we were talking about what romneyas up to for the fourth of july. he's hanging out at his lake house in new hampshire. that doesn't bode well, that doesn't connect with those voters in ohio and pennsylvania, those working class folks who have lost their jobs. so we have to also keep an eye on the n...

Say the same thing. all the analysis shows the republican moderates, much to their frustration, what is left of them, has been largely silenced or overwhelmed by the far right megaphone. and many moderate republicans have been voting more and more democrat lately. that's the sort of thing that spells trouble for washington to be able to get anything done. the forecast right now is for more gridlock. >> and i think the whole idea that two moderate house democrats from pennsylvania lost the primary doesn't bode well. if anybody actually is a moderate out there, do you see them saying, you know w...