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Open liberal international order. >> no, it certainly doesn't bode well. and i think, you know, the hope will certainly be that, you know, other actors in the united states are going to step in and that president trump looks at this, as evan suggested. he's appealing to his base. these are the people, the steel workers are one of his core constituencies. these tariffs will have enormous and negative impacts within the american economy as well. i think we're going to have a lot of other actors step up to the plate and say, you know, we're not interested in a trade war with china. this is how it...

Economies in the world enter into some kind of trade war, liz. that doesn't bode well for the open liberal international order. >> no, it certainly doesn't bode well. and i think, you know, the hope will certainly be that, you know, other actors in the united states are going to step in and that president trump looks at this, as evan suggested. he's appealing to his base. these are the people, the steel workers are one of his core constituencies. these tariffs will have enormous and negative impacts within the american economy as well. i think we're going to have a lot of other actors step up ...

Case. but the question is, you know, my sources are telling me that the president could actually waive this for jared kushner if, indeed, he chose to. though this is his son-in-law. he's stood by him thus far. we have to see how this plays out, if the president will step in and allow him to -- >> can i ask you something, april? what is the relationship between kelly and kushner? is it contentious? is there any way -- do the reporters who are out in the briefing room or who are set up there every day and have work spaces, is there -- what's their read on the relationship between the two men? >>...

Is it contentious? is there any way -- do the reporters who are out in the briefing room or who are set up there every day and have work spaces, is there -- what's their read on the relationship between the two men? >> well, according to sources, it's not pretty -- it's not a pretty situation right now. you know, i'm hearing that jared kushner and ivanka have been looking at helping the president possibly find replacements for john kelly, even before this moment. so this doesn't bode well. if you have the keys to the kingdom and you don't necessarily have to have all that you need to have thos...

Relevant enough for people to say, whoa, i'm not giving him clearance yet. this has not panned out. now it's all moot. the question is how does this administration go about looking and talking to people they want to bring into the administration. could they just pull people off the street who look good on paper and not find out about their personal lives and the fbi is left to find out about it? what are they doing? this doesn't bode well. you have two people in the last week leave, resign because of wife abuse. >> if that happens, why aren't you asking more questions to get to the bottom of i...