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A moderate, the more center guy who can, you know, both votes from the right, but also those independents and i think he's afraid that, you know, if he calls for tax cuts and releases his income taxes and it shows that he's high income earner, they're going to start streaming at him that he wants to enrich himself and that he calls for-- doesn't call for tax cuts he's got a problem on the right. so he's trying to work it in the middle and why he's having so much trouble. >> paul: it seems that he can't dodge this fight. it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. now that people know he's paid 15%, ...

>> i don't think hillary's treated in the same way. she's a friend of mine. i think the way that miss bachmann's been treated and the way miss palin's been treated, i think they have been treated very, very unfairly by the press. >> greta: why? >> i don't know. you ask me. they are conservative women. i think that's probably why. >> greta: take governor perry's jumped in the race. does that change the dynamics? i realize it's early on and there is a lot of information we need to learn as the months go on. >> it's very early. i think he is a good man. i have known him over the years. i spoke to...