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It didn't publish any details from the salacious unsubstantiated document. >> they were much more cautious and we should applaud cnn for that. but would i have gone ahead with that story in the first place? i don't know. it gave "buzzfeed" the green light to go ahead with it. interesting information getting out before big events. before the first presidential debate, magically in a "new york times" reporters mailbox his 1995 tax returns magically show up. now one day before his press conference. highly anticipated, this information is suddenly reported getting out when every news organization ...

Howie: cnn, donald trump, and the unsubstantiated dossier. the deputy pin editor of the washington times and juan williams. buzzfeed admits the allegations are unproven and had serious doubts about it. did it hurt the reputation of buzzfeed and journalism. >> journalism for sure. it makes all of our jobs harder. they said it' it's unverified ad potentially unverifiable. those days are tough but you have to let it go. howie: did donald trump go too

Sir. not while i'm speaking. i didn't ask for an argument. i'm answering your question. it is the right thing to do for the american people and here's why. howie: a little difference in the reaction to that incident and this incident with president-elect trump. >> president obama, in his first 360 who press conferences, 22 of those 36 types he did not call upon fox news, the number one rated cable news network in the country. when we hear cnn saying i want to be ask a question, they will be treated the same way by donald trump the way president obama treated fox news. it's interesting stuff th...

They claim they had multiple sources. either they were getting it from the director or getting it from somebody who is one-off, two-off, three-off. they posted the story. then buzzfeed because of the cnn story posted the story. it became a vicious circle saying it's not our fault. it's a pretty ridiculous argument to maker that they didn't even -- argument to make that they didn't encourage people to look at that. howie: john rules said he doesn't consider president-elect trump to be a legitimate president. he's endorsed by media anchors. >> i think john rules is an

President obama, they said it was unsubstantiated information they could not verify. donald trump con glad it with what buzzfeed did to what cnn did. they thought they better stick together as donald trump comes forward. you could divide cnn from buzzfeed. it looks like the house of card is coming apart on the press side. >> i asked sean spicer about that. you can criticize cnn's decision. i wasn't comfortable with it. but i didn't do it. buzzfeed didn't put the allegations out there. ben smith doingedly defending his decision to go ahead with the story. here he is with nbc's chuck