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Happened to leeann tweeden, that's sexual assault? >> yes. anytime there is sexually intimacy and the woman doesn't consent. what al franken did to her i think is sexual assault. shoving your tongue down somebody's throat and mouth when they didn't consent i would say crosses that line. >> do you agree with that of what the former president is accused of doing, that's not sexual assault? >> i don't know. i think being a dirty old man and being an abuser are two different things. at the same time i want this to get out of hand. i think we don't have to worry about overcorrecting for these thing...

I don't want what's happening to women when it is like real violations of their person, illegal acts of sexual assault being watered down for inappropriate behavior. i think a lot of people might get upset with that and say if a woman feels uncomfortable and feels violated who are you to judge how they react to that? maybe, but in my opinion i think we need to make sure that we don't let this get out of hand to the point where anyone who feels something that that's not a physical sexual assault just not watered down. i think it takes away. >> do you know that what happened lee ann tweeden is s...

Going to have a very long-term effect i think on these politicians' careers. >> terry, as an example, take a closer look at this pennsylvania, this real controversial pennsylvania ultrasound bill ultrasound, require 24-hour waiting period, strongly encourages women to view and listen to the ultrasound and forces women to take the son know gramm to a doctor. i mean, this is some extreme stuff in 2012. >> yeah, and the only purpose of it is to humiliate. now the pennsylvania version is, in fact, state-sponsored rape. the fbi defines rain as penetration, however slight, nonconsensually, without c...