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About the president's behavior or the facts around the case. the facts are really bad. the behavior is inexcusable. so republicans are going to extremes, including trying to out the whistleblower who is protected by federal law and already receiving death threats. trump's surrogates made the rounds who tried to argue that if you do not succeed at committing a crime then the attempt doesn't count. >> do you think ultimately the president will be impeached and removed from office. >> no. on what? you are going to impeach a president for asking for a favor that didn't happen and giving money and ...

When you say i robbed a bank and you're brought into trial to say it was a joke. i didn't really mean it, that doesn't count. >> nick ackerman, we appreciate your clarity and your experience. we've had a lot of experienced people on tonight. now we're better for it. thank you. >> thank you. >> appreciate you. up ahead, rick gates taking the stand, did you hear about this, against trump adviser roger stone. also, republicans have their own bribery defense. what you need to know. we've got a lot more coming up. . we've got a lot more coming up , as well as all the things you want to do. beca...

So republicans are going to extremes, including trying to out the whistleblower who is protected by federal law and already receiving death threats. trump's surrogates made the rounds who tried to argue that if you do not succeed at committing a crime then the attempt doesn't count. >> do you think ultimately the president will be impeached and removed from office. >> no. on what? you are going to impeach a president for asking for a favor that didn't happen and giving money and it wasn't withheld? i don't know what you would impeach him on. >> interesting theory. republican congressman tried ...

Happening in other races in, of course, what everybody is looking at, the purple states in 2020. i don't know that this gives us a great bellwether or indication. >> lanhee, is there a danger that the democrats sort of overreach, you know, the significance of these results? >> yeah. look, i think anytime you have a small sample size of elections, these are off-year -- what we call off-year elections here in the united states, so they don't happen on your typical even-numbered year. so there are all sorts of reasons why you might not want to extrapolate too much from this. what is clear, though...

Because this was a state race where democrats sort of embraced their presidential candidates and republicans were distancing themselves from the president. jessica, that was a very different strategy than what we saw in kentucky. why did this work for democrats in virginia? >> so one thing i just wanted to say about kentucky is i think we need to uncouple two things, and as an election law professor, i just can't let this go. absolutely when there's a close election, you have to let the process play out. if it's within a certain margin, oftentimes there is an automatic recount. and it's very i...