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For democracy, and he changed his mind as well. it's not just us liberals who change their minds. >> tucker: i'm not surprised. let's take what you're saying seriously. if we are going to have a one man, one vote system, pure democracy, as you said, real democracy, then we've got to abolish the senate because it is not, of course, democratic. a senator from california represents 40 million people. a senator from wyoming represents a little over half a million. it is not one voice, one vote. it is totally skewed. you get rid of the senate, right? >> i think when you have progress in a nation an...

Some nations throughout the world, no, i don't think it's right. and i know you're going to be -- >> tucker: you want a direct democracy? are you ready for the consequences? gay marriage wouldn't be the law of the land. it lost in california, as you know. global warming, not even an concern for most people. you'd never get a carbon tax under a direct democracy. you have to change the population of the country. in other words, the idea that the majority rules, it's a great idea, and i'm for it. i'm more on the populace side. but pure democracy would disenfranchise rich liberals, the ones who ru...

Camera and say if hillary had lost the popular vote but will make the electoral college, she would be for abolishing it? >> i would, tucker. before i was a democrat, when i was in college and i was at an independent, i was against the electoral college then and i still am now. i must admit, in our history, five elections have gone against democrats in favor of republicans with the electoral college versus the popular vote. but that is honestly not why. as a democrat, i'll take the advantage of it comes up, but i don't think it's an advantage. i think it is a disadvantage. i am an state in cali...

Can peote vote, how many people? >> tucker: leslie, i don't know. people who care vote. i'm happy with that. leslie marshall, thanks for joining us tonight. great to see you. >> thank you, tucker. you too. >> tucker: a christian t-shirt business is being sued because it wouldn't make shirts for a gay pride h parade. the store's owner has been denounced and is in legal trouble. we'll speak with him next to find out what is going on. leno he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. tcan he...

Lost the popular vote but will make the electoral college, she would be for abolishing it? >> i would, tucker. before i was a democrat, when i was in college and i was at an independent, i was against the electoral college then and i still am now. i must admit, in our history, five elections have gone against democrats in favor of republicans with the electoral college versus the popular vote. but that is honestly not why. as a democrat, i'll take the advantage of it comes up, but i don't think it's an advantage. i think it is a disadvantage. i am an state in california where numerous people w...