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This ambassador. and remember, you know, donald trump doesn't -- president trump doesn't seem to know many of his ambassadors. we've just learn a few weeks ago he barely knows ambassador sondland. this notion that somehow her performance in ukraine was wrong and that he was going to get into the weeds of that -- to underscore, incredibly unprecedented for somebody to be removed in midterm in their career -- midterm in their assignment, i mean. you know, let's be clear, this was to do with the drug deal. and i think we need to keep getting back to that and not getting too distracted in the smea...

But what i would say is you've listed a number of actions. i think from my point of view, that doesn't -- that doesn't create a ukrainian government strategy to interfere in our elections. >> i didn't say that. >> mr. jordan, please allow the ambassador to answer the question. >> so i would just say that, you know, u.s. politicians will often criticize policies of foreign -- foreign counterparts. even perhaps during their elections. you know, this -- this happens in politics and i think that it -- it doesn't necessarily constitute interference. >> would you ever write an op-ed -- >> jordan, yo...

Issue. it didn't appear to me. and so i asked ambassador sondland who said that he, you know, he was a political appointee, he said he was close to the president. and so he had just been in ukraine for a ship visit with some of his eu colleagues from brussels. and so i reached out to him for advice. when this was no longer a ukraine kind of -- an interview with mr. lutsenko, it became american politicians and pundits, et cetera, were repeating those allegations, i asked him for advice. >> it meant a lot to you. this is an extraordinary time. the advice meant a lot, and what was -- what was his...

Into adam schiff over and over again, to take on the whistle-blower, take on other procedural things, it would appear that there's some rumor that there's a primetime slot open at fox. >> yeah. that's what it felt like. but it also felt like this witness did so well this morning, and then for the president to do what he did, that these members knew that there was a little cleanup on aisle five they needed to do. so you saw republicans spending five minutes just complimenting the witness. and then they pivoted to this bogus claim about how if we could only learn the identity of the whistle-blow...