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He articulated the best case i have heard for the affordable health care act. >> he also hears an extraordinary decent and humane, a man that knows the field better than anybody. to me it suggests a few things, one the dysfunction of the system, the republicans who would holed up the confirmation, and he became a pinata for the affordable care act. as the former head of the agency ran under bush said you could not get gandhi through the -- >> he was a polarizing figure. >> what he spoke for me is so important. and essentially, he is saying, health care is a human right, it's a human right and ...

The case against you were two points as far as i could tell. you gave a speech to the national health service in britain saying kind things about their system there, and you had a quote where you said, of course we will ration health care and the question is whether we ration with our eyes open or not, and those two things were woven into the narrative that you were the socialists that was going to impose obama care. what was it like to go through that experience, and to have your name on fox and being sort of castagated for these views? >> my overall experience has been an incredible time in ...

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