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This year. trump has always been careful to be not in the room when the crime is being committed. >> that's interesting. you think he's canny enough. >> oh, yeah, i think he's very canny. >> i'm not disagreeing. i think there's evidence he's quite canny. >> self-preservation, anything that has to do with me, me, me, yes, that is definitely -- he's always thinking how does this affect me? could this hurt me? will i lose money? can i make money? everything is processed through that filter. so if something's going to happen in a room with russians, or others that could find him indicted, i think ...

And on and on. listen, here's probably what won't happen. because especially new yorkers know this, because trump got away with everything for 40 years. >> he's been getting away with things for decades. >> that streak shouldn't end this year. trump has always been careful to be not in the room when the crime is being committed. >> that's interesting. you think he's canny enough. >> oh, yeah, i think he's very canny. >> i'm not disagreeing. i think there's evidence he's quite canny. >> self-preservation, anything that has to do with me, me, me, yes, that is definitely -- he's always thinking h...

Won't happen, because especially new yorkers know this, because trump got away with everything for like 40 years. >> he's been getting away with things for decades. >> that, that probably -- that streak shouldn't end this year more than likely because trump has always been careful to be not in the room when the crime is being committed. and so -- >> that's interesting. you think he's canny enough. >> oh, yeah, i think he's very canny. >> i'm not disagreeing. i think there's evidence he's quite canny. >> yes. self-preservation, anything that has to do with the word "self" in it or anything that...

People close to pecker and to donald trump have both described it to me as more transactional. so david pecker, they met back when david pecker was the head -- was the ceo of a magazine publisher in the u.s. or the u.s. arm that much magazine publisher. he launched "trump style," which was a sort of dedicated magazine that would be distributed in trump hotels so they both got something out of that from a business perspective. david pecker would do events at mar-a-lago. donald trump spoke about pecker when he received an honorary doctorate at pace university. they do these things for each other...

Fund-raising. and beto's got the best chance of being alive in 2020. >> mean but funny. >> you think age will be an issue? i do not. >> i've heard that age is different today than it was even a generation ago. some of the candidates are incredibly healthy. somebody who doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, runs six miles a way. that's a different candidate today than it was a 70-year-old than it was -- >> and experience is an issue. we should see. ahead, they didn't complain when they were in power. now republicans in wisconsin and michigan are trying to strip power from incoming democratic leaders....