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That's the lesson. no, that's not the lesson you take away here. there's public record rules because there's public record rules. it wasn't a mistake to try to figure out if hillary clinton was reckless with classified information. maybe it went on too long. maybe that was hillary clinton's fault for not being straightforward. maybe the press was too aggressive. i don't know. we'll let media adegreesers figure that out over the next few years. but, sam, these laws are in place for a reason and just because you're the president's daughter or just because, you know, you feel like republicans are...

Monica lewinsky they had to preserve the evidence. >> people who had known trump for a long time, these are people who are not new to him. people not just familiar or have been in that office but familiar with the kind of month did you say -- modus operandi of donald trump. many recognize that the loyalty they were expected to donald trump might not be returned to them fully in the future and they needed to have some kind of an insurance policy against that. there's also people who were trying -- this doesn't excuse anything about donald trump but in michael cohen's case and omarosa's case peo...

Strong stand on the immigration issue tonight. the democrats i think know they have some vulnerabilities here on the ms-13 issue, the unaccompanied minor issue as i pointed out in the "angle." obama was sending back people, even a "huffington post," we have a great headline from "the huffington post." this is from march of last year. the hard truths about obama's deportation priorities. from 2009-2015, 56% of all immigrants were removed from the country had no criminal conviction. preliminary data from 2016 when obama was still in office suggested this trend of deporting noncriminals continued...

And that's a failure of president obama, but that doesn't excuse what's going on right now. i understand that the story about people -- children being lost is a little bit overblown. they can't get in touch. i get that part. but there is still this bit where jeff sessions is separating children from their families when those families are coming here through regular ports of entry, seeking asylum, and that i have a problem with. i think most americans who have any compassion would have a problem with that. >> laura: do you think criminals could be separated from their family? you obviously know...

Are eligible to be removed from the deportation. >> you can get a pardon from a governor but that doesn't excuse if you from federal deportation? >> it does on a couple of crimes. the federal statute sets out a couple of crimes where the pardon blocks the deportation. from the information i gathered. the individuals governor brown and cuomo pardoned don't fit those crimes. these folks are still eligible for deportation which means these two governor's are just