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Indices pursu indisputing. there is evidence that's presented not in the schiff's report but other report. does that timing bother you in a histor historic? >> they tend not to survive and collapse from the senate. impeachments are like buildings. there is a ratio between your foundation and hiets. you want to build an impeachment, you need foundation to support it. johnson may be the fastest impeachment. what happens to johnson was the

Talk about this. we didn't talk about anything about kurt volker who said nothing about it. we said nothing about the aid being held up. morrison, who contradicted vindman and others. i don't expect the majority too because that's not what they're here for, they're not here to give exculpatory evidence just like the schiff report gives nothing of exculpatory evidence and also there's still evidence being withheld by adam schiff that's not come to this committee is and we haven't gotten any of the underlying stuff, that according to house rule 660 we're supposed to get, one that the inspector g...

Meaning. this is the concern that i have. is there a concern that if we just say the facts don't matter, that we're also, as you've said, abusing our power as we go forward here in actually looking at what people would actually deem as an impeachable offense? >> i think so, and part of the problem is to bring a couple of these articles, you have to contradict the position of president obama. president obama withheld evidence from congress in fast and furious, an investigation, a rather moronic program that led to the death of a federal agent. president obama gave a sweeping argument that not o...

And without any infrastructure in place. >> i want to be clear on this point first of all to visit the gaslighting we were all subjecting to who said there is no such policy, it doesn't exist, it was in writing, it was evaluated. their own documents show that. and second of all there was an idea i think at the time was a cluster pushed on them by doj. what this report says, no, they knew what they were doing. they knew they had insufficient ability to track children and did it anyway knowing they were risking children being permanently essentially kidnapped from their parents. >> yeah, that's ...

Start to answer questions, but the precise contours of what's off limits and what's allowable is still not clear. >> but let's just reiterate that last point you were making because the idea that absolute immunity doesn't exist, and the fact that she wrote it again and again and again in 120 pages, this was a big sweeping ruling, jeffrey, that completely undermines the case that the white house is making. >> that's right. and if it is upheld it certainly has application to john bolton, to mulvaney, to potentially secretary pompeo, all of whom know a great deal about the ukraine story and have ...