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Step back and claim a high ground here that's not ideological, that doesn't get into, you know, any specific issues, any kind of a debate there. and just as i have a right to be in this debate, i'm an american citizen. >> right. it's called human decency. i think the president operates under the problemis that black people don't vote. i have a problem with this entire framing of the fact that the president is doing this to rile up his base. yes, that's true. everything you said is true. but who cares, right? i mean, if he feels like this can rile up his base, is that something that we as ameri...

But, mr. president, keep going, you're doing the right thing. >> joining us now, mark leib vits chief correspondent for the washington times magazine, jonathan cape heart, both are msnbc contributors. mark, why don't any of these friends have names? >> he's obviously trying to protect their anonymity. he's very privacy oriented. >> are they anonymous sources? he hates those. >> i would never accuse him of making them up or anything. jim actually is someone who has a name. this is sort of a version of the many people are saying, or a lot of people are saying. this actually gets to a lot of peop...