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Particular countries that have this particular religion. and so for him to say now, i don't care what you call it, it is a travel ban, guess what, the courts care what you call it because we do have laws and we do follow those laws and we could not discriminate against groups of people. >> in fact, the aclu tweeted that out exactly last night. they said we are in agreement with the president, it is, in fact, a ban. we know that the president is excellent at revving up his base. but will this not be another example of revving up your base doesn't get laws passed? if he's saying i don't want to ...