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President, for example, raised, that are raised implicitly by the nobel peace prize issue here with president obama having been the last winner, and hu having the current winner in jail in china, do you think those rights issues should be seen as a sign of chinese weakness, chinese insecurity, paranoia about their own political grip on power? >> right, i think there's like -- i think that's a very interesting good way to think about it. i think there's a tendency to think like somehow their authoritarianist makes this undefeatable behemoth. there are internal tensions in china that chinese lea...

Be rescued first? what does that say to you? >> it's a little surprising to hear that. perhaps it's because the coach did it in the same way that they pick who is going to do what in the game, in the soccer game. who is going to go first, who is going to play this position or that position. but if everybody doesn't get out, and of course we're all hoping that they do, but the ones who did get out in that process will have more survivor guilt. you know, again, we don't really know how they chose it, but that was kind of -- that can add to the psychological problems they'll have after. >> and so...

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