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>> yes. and so i think president trump has only three options, right. one is that he believes that the search for truth is important and he doesn't get -- go on defensive. and they let the prosecutor -- they let mueller go on as he will. i don't think any of us believes that's go to happen, but that is an option. many defendants have done that. the second is the pardon power. i have to believe that if this gets close to in particular jared kushner or donald trump jr. that we will begin to see the pardon power exercise. i cannot believe donald trump would allow there to get to -- these indictme...

And respect everyone when the. this is the who booed off as collective it's billed as the first co-working space in bali you're going to read a desk by the hour need a photographer a software developer or copywriter well you just might find one sitting nearby or perhaps in the cafe. or tricia hails from canada. andrew is from australia they've been working remotely around the world for years now but couple do consulting for young entrepreneurs and develop brands all the way from website to logo and all while on the road. most people we see back in the real world don't understand what we're goi...

Do you think they're more united when it comes to the policy? >> i do. if you look at the economy, we've got 3% growth. we were told we were never gonna get to that. the new normal on obama was 1% to 2%. we busted 3% in less than a year with a republican government. you'll all see more unity around the tax reform debate. there was unity on judges. there's unity on supreme court justice gorsuch. there's a lot of unity there. frankly, i think the democratic party has a lot of division that doesn't get reported. all of these issues coming forward with dividing candidates. there's a lot of divisio...

You have to counter it with networks. we actually do, norman will know more about this than i do. but the fact is, after we knew that north korea attacked sony, there was evidence that the obama administration responded and it doesn't get reported. but ultimately, it's really about building network defenses. and you have to do that with private companies and even civic groups and the government together. it's not like nuclear, where it's government to government. it's where you need all different parts of society in defensive networks. >> are you optimistic we'll be a i believe to get there? >...

Is we do counter. after north korea attacked sony, i don't know what we did, but we certainly -- there was evidence that the obama administration responded, and it doesn't get reported. but ultimately we have to -- it's really about building network defenses. and you have to do that with private companies and even civic groups and the government together. it's not like nuclear where it's government to government, it's where you need all different parts of society in defensive networks. >> are you optimistic we'll be able to get there? >> i don't think we have much choice. but i mean the future...