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Avoided this degree of chaos, and the administration did not. period. and today president biden, frankly, sounded like president donald trump, feigning that what we're all seeing could not have gone any better. >> no, i don't think it could have been handled in a way that -- we're going to go back in hindsight and look, but the idea that somehow there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensuing, i don't know how that happens. i don't know how that happened. >> they say they were prepared for all contingencies. clearly you were not prepared for all contingencies. clearly could you have got...

Idea that somehow there's a way to have gotten out without chaos ensu ensuing, i don't know how that happens. i don't know how that happened. >> they say they were prepared for all contingencies. clearly you were not prepared for all contingencies. clearly could you have gotten your people out first and done this early. and if this president doesn't grasp the urgency of doing more and better here, some words of his may come back to haunt him -- these. >> there's going to be no circumstances where you're going to see people being lifted off the roof of an embassy of the united states from afgha...

Customs and border patrol people, you would have started i think with the national guard, because you wouldn't be taking active duty troops off their training missing unless it was absolutely necessary. the fact is those troops are down there. you have to look at this inside the pentagon and ask, can't the national guard there be re-missioned? it's in everybody's interest to get the active-duty troops home as soon as possible so they can maintain their readiness. too early to say if this is more posturing, but we'll certainly keep an eye on that. >> you wrote broughtly today that in your view ...

Of the united states telling leadership in congress, pay no attention to the president. he's a child venting with a temper tantrum. he'll get over it. >> it was amazing what was coming out of the white house this morning. air aides are saying he just needs to get it out of his system. we're talking about funding the federal government. there was ample opportunity to get it out of his system yesterday, so if the president were perhaps to be watching cable news right now, which i think is probably a decent possibility, and hearing that his aides are saying, ignore him, don't pay attention to him...

Story in any way, shape, or form, can reasonably conclude that this whole thing is a hoax. frankly, it matters because we're talking about a foreign power actively seeking to influence the election. whether they were successful or not is important but not the central point. that they did it, that this facebook shows how widespread it was, how advanced and innovative in terms of using social media it was, that's the point here. >> yeah. >> that he never, ever, ever gets. sorry, alyson. >> only because i think that's the bigger point we need to get to. >> yes! >> that is the president doesn't gr...