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>> we have a lot of people around the table who want to ask questions. >> it's fair to say and fair to be passionate about it. i don't -- i actually -- i don't think there's an argument here that the budget or even the health care bill that was a failure before it started was cruel on many levels. no. i have no question. i'm just agreeing with tom perez completely. sometimes you have to say it. >> that republicans hate people? >> no. that it was a joke and cruel and the budget is fairly cruel too. >> joe, let me be clear. i was talking about the republican leadership, and you know what, i grew...

That illegal, improper? >> there's only one administration at a time, only one government at aime. you've got to be really care 68 it's okay to have meetings. it's one thing to say we want to distance the russians from the iranian, not a bad thing. to start suggesting -- not saying it were done -- but if there might be sanctions relief, you can't conduct foreign policy. >> david ignatius, that's what everybody was concerned about at the time, not just the obama administration, but republicans and lindsey graham, too, that they were trying to offer a deal to lessen sanctions relief. again, this...

Nothing would be wrong with an administration trying to separate russia from iran. that would be in america's best interest. but why would you hide it, first of all? secondly, is igoing to be one more example of trump officials lying about meetings with russian officials that otherwise wouldn't have raised an eyebrow? but because they lie about their meetings with russian officials during the transition, suddenly one story stacks on top of another story, stacks on top of another story and leads us all to the inescapable conclusion that they're hiding something much bigger here. >> the flip sid...

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