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Planning to have a conversation with president zelensky in toronto in three days, four days where he would outline for president zelensky the important components of the phone call that we were trying to establish. >> okay. you didn't have any issue with that, did you? >> the only think i had with that, mr. castor, was there was reference to investigations. i'll have to check my notes on that. it raised issues for me that i didn't understand what ambassador volker had in mind that he was specifically going to raise with mr. zelensky. there was a little bit of a concern. >> okay. i mean, the pr...

Would be sophisticated enough to know they may pay a very heavy price with this president. were they not? >> that's a fair assessment. >> and president zelensky not only had to worry about retribution from donald trump should he contribute donald trump publicly he also la to worry how he's perceived domestically. doesn't he, ambassador taylor? >> president zelensky is very sensitive to the views of the ukrainian people who, indeed are very attentive to ukrainian/u.s. politics, yes. >> so if president zelensky were to say, i had to kpich lacapitu these i was ready to go on cnn until the aid got...

Example, the right to certain energy licenses. correct? >> that is one element. yes, sir. >> and the company burisma, its leader, he has a little bit of a storied history of corruption, doesn't he? >> mr. la krzyzewski was minister of energy in 2010-2012. he used his authority to award gas an act of corruption in my view, yes. >> certainly self-deal? >> certainly self-dealing and self-enriching. >> and how did the ukrainian government ultimately pursue that? >> in the spring of 2014 the ukrainian government, the new government after revolution of dignity returned to partners, particularly the ...

A very heavy price with this say yes, it is. president. were they not? >> is attempt the extortion >> that's a fair assessment. and bribery a crime? >> and president zelensky >> i don't know, sir. not only had to worry about retribution from donald >> in the minute that i have trump should he contradict donald trump he also has to left, i want you to speak to worry about how he is the nation about what's at perceived domestically, doesn't he, ambassador stake, ambassador kent. taylor? you said in your opening >> president zelensky is very sensitive to the views statement you warned about selec...

The rest of the participants that he was planning to have a conversation with in toronto in three or four days where he would outline for president zelensky the important components of the phone call that we were trying to establish. >> okay. and you didn't have any issue with that, did you? >> the only issue i had with that, mr. castor, was there was reference to investigations i-i would have to check my notes on that. raised issues for me that i didn't understand what ambassador volker had in mind that he was specifically going to raise with mr. zelensky. that was a little bit of a concern. ...