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He is formally on bill clinton's legal team during the sex scandal for clinton and lewinsky back in the day. so this is somebody who does have connections -- >> jessica: but he runs a bipartisan firm. >> harris: but having the facts out there doesn't hurt anything. you might want to start with those two writers. getting the facts out there would have helped. maybe it wouldn't have dragged anybody through the mud, all over and all through the weekend. if you got an apple phone, it was under a list of news. >> jessica: the post did include it, "the new york times" -- >> kennedy: book was written...

To attack from the outside. >> you get things in exchange as a local in many cases. security protection. >> the clam by groups like isis is we provide security and stability. query how true that actually is. but the bottom line is that when there's no functioning government in parts of iraq and syria, the people don't have any source of authority to turn to. >> so, you can blow up a few oil trucks and that doesn't hurt anything. probably helps to some degree. but it's like a scratch. >> sure. i think the key here is a multipy tie -- multi facetted group. military action, diplomatic activities ...

Well. >> i'm curious as being a member of the house ways and means committee, your chairman, dave kemp, he wants to subpoena hhs and get the numbers of people who have enrolled up to this date. do you want to see the numbers? >> you know when we started the part d, the drug program. medicare, we didn't have an oversight hearing for six months. we waited and let it get started. because the democrats didn't come in and hammer them and try and make them look bad or anything else. what kemp is doing is try to make the president look bad by asking in the first month, the first month is just barelyo...

Because they said this is so insane, this is so out of bounds that no one would allow this to happen so we would negotiate. and the white house, i think it's legitimate to say that they underestimated just how republicans -- what lengths they would go to. the republicans actually like this. they're all out there saying this doesn't hurt anything. you're just cutting government a teeny bit. it's nothing to worry about. this is no big deal. it's the only way we can get spending under control. the republicans are actually embracing this. they want it, they can have it. >> we've been down this sam...

Unfair, dishonest, disingenuous, the president is making stuff up. >> why are they having such a hard time with their message? >> well, the truth of the matter is they came up with the idea because they said this is so insane, this is so out of bounds that no one would allow this to happen, so we would negotiate. and the white house, i think it's legitimate to say, that they underestimated just how republicans -- what lengths they would go to. the republicans actually like this. they're all out there saying this doesn't hurt anything. you're just cutting government a teeny bit. there's nothing...