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To make a mark. look, john lewis said some things he should not have said and is doing something he shouldn't do, and -- and that's -- that to me is sad because i think it does create a little stain on what is otherwise a terrific record. >> i guess one of the things is without taking issue with what senator santorum said and i'm sure you would agree president-elect trump is a legitimate president, i don't know that it doesn't hurt him, president-elect trump, because you have a president-elect who is coming in as the least popular president-elect in history, or at least in modern history. his ...

Senator, i'll give you first shot. what explains this? >> he's defying the normal laws of political gravity. any of these would have brought a normal candidate down to earth with a resounding thud. his core supporters love that he's not politically correct. so these comments endear him to them even more. the fact that he's made that are verifiable are the mainstream media and political class are loathed by his supporters, so that doesn't hurt him. you take all this together and it doesn't hurt him in the republican primaries. but it makes him unelectable in a general election. swing voters wil...

Senator, i'll give you first shot. what explains this? >> he's defying the normal laws of political gravity. any of these would have brought a normal candidate down to earth with a resounding thud. his core supporters love that he's not politically correct. so these comments endear him to them even more. the fact that he's made that are verifiable are the mainstream media and political class are loathed by his supporters, so that doesn't hurt him. you take all this together and it doesn't hurt him in the republican primaries. but it makes him unelectable in a general election. swing voters wil...

Watch. >> i disagree with you. in the since that if you say, no muslims can travel here from overseas, you're hurting the united states's position against isis. we need the friendly muslim nations. you can't insult them. >> i disagree. >> you can't. >> bill, i disagree. people have to be vetted. they have to be -- >> you can vet them but can't insult the whole religion. >> we're not insulting this is about security. it is not about religion. andrea: jonah, if you look how "the donald" has conducted this sort of media strategy, he comes out, he makes a statement, i want to ban muslims. then he ...

The panel, the committee there, that if they're available, would come. >> observing, yes. >> but, no, we're preparing, because you know, you've got to be prepared. we're boy scouts at "meet the press daily" you know that. >> i know that. i'm in the office next door to you. probably check back in with you at this rate. because we have to say good-bye to him, he's on a west coast clock, we're not, chris matthews, one final question, from chuck todd. what does sidney blumenthal have to do with what happened in benghazi? >> i keep thinking, it's the usual suspects and he's kaiser -- who is this gu...