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Really drain the swamp. pete: you want him to go to washington and shake up the whole system? >> i would like to see the government shut down in the fall. and i want trump to put the people in place at this moment that it -- government shutdown that doesn't hurt as opposed to an obamacare government shutdown where the goal is to make the people hurt as much as possible. pete: you are looking for more confrontation. certainly there has been a lot so far. i have got to ask you, you are both small business owners, construction company, actually. >> yes. pete: the house is going to vote today like...

Points. she is basically out there, she is a new book out, she is making the rounds and on the television shows. do you think that comments like this hurt her or is she just trying to gin up support within the base? >> in this environment, those kind of comments don't hurt at all. look at our president. he made his name during the campaign calling elizabeth warren pocahontas. he made his name attacking people like john mccain and many, many others. this doesn't hurt unfortunately. i think that is a sad commentary. i don't think it is funny at all. i don't think you should go on national televi...

New book out. she's making the roundeds on all the televisions. do you think a comments like this hurt her or she trying to gin up support? >> in this environment, those comments don't hurt. look at our president, he made his name during the campaign calling elizabeth t warren pocahontas. he made his name attacking people and johnn mccain. this doesn't hurt. i think that's a sad commentary. i don't think it's funny. i don't think you should go on national television disparage the president any more than sitting president or candidate should disparage the senior senator from the state of massac...

Immigration laws that barack obama chose not to enforce. he made the mistake of reducing it to writing what he was not going to enforce. that writing was challenge. it was invalidated by the federal courts. he still did end enforce the law even after the federal courts told him he had to. >> martha: let me ask you big picture about the tone of what we are seeing. i find it interesting, watching chuck todd interview secretary kelly, who is very widely respected. he has been in the military, he lost his son in the iraq war. this is a person who is thoughtful and this is a person who said to chuc...

There's a whole swath of immigration laws that barack obama chose not to enforce. he made the mistake of reducing it to writing what he was not going to enforce. that writing was challenge. it was invalidated by the federal courts. he still did end enforce the law even after the federal courts told him he had to. >> martha: let me ask you big picture about the tone of what we are seeing. i find it interesting, watching chuck todd interview secretary kelly, who is very widely respected. he has been in the military, he lost his son in the iraq war. this is a person who is thoughtful and this is ...