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Sides of the political spectrum. absolutely. i want to ask you real quickly about some politics today. sam patton, this washington lobbyist, he has a plea deal in the mueller case. he paid $50,000 for tickets to president trump's inauguration and did so on behalf of a owe oligark. >> it seems it is put together by the parts of the political world who are trying to sway the election and on its own it doesn't implicate the president or anybody in his orbit but my guess this is part of a bigger por portrait that mueller is trying to put together and figure out what the connections were. >> we nee...

Leap. that's not what we have seen here. the way it's all laid out. how much money he tried to bring back into the u.s. allegedly and not pay taxes on amend the dryer states he was in not having spent a lot of money. from there it a huge leap to say well, would the president have known in that case? like the rest of the case from there. >> certainly all of it looks bad. you know, all of the testimony that came out looks bad. but, again, at the end of the day, that's not -- you know, prosecuting paul manafort past's financial dealings has nothing to do with the reason why we got the special pro...

President's personal lawyer inside the white house, put out a pretty reasonable statement on friday saying, look, we fired mike flynn for the same lie that he apparently told the fbi. so this doesn't implicate the president. that could have been the end of it and maybe the conversation would be turning back to tax reform. >> did he want to say something about mike flynn? >> now it looks like the trump team is heading into the court of law. >> court of law versus the court of public appeals. the president is playing one for keeps. >> the other audience that is so important and the last panel wa...

Volume of leaks like this? >> there's no doubt that we've been living through an avalanche of leaks. carrie's point is a good one, that an awful lot of those that involve washington intrigue and which faction is mad is not illegal. that kind of leak is just ordinary information coming out without not through official channels, doesn't implicate the law in any way. notwithstanding that, anyone who is involved with national security law knows that we've seen a lot of information about information that was gathered through surveillance or transcripts of presidential phone calls in way that is ext...