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Now, whoopie gold berg was say even when you leave the issue of race that human beings can be nasty to other human beings. many of us are thinking in this case you didn't step away from race because people thought of jews as a different race of people. i think whoopi was thinking of all of us in america in 2022. it was kind of a slip. tell her it's a slip. why is it when somebody makes a mistake like that, even not talking about black people this time, she has to be excommunicated in this way. it's got to stop. i think she should not have been suspended. she should have been told she was wrong...

Case you didn't step away from race because people thought of jews as a different race of people. a different species. i think whoopi was thinking of all of us in america in 2022. it was kind of a slip. tell her it's a slip. why is it when somebody makes a mistake like that, even not talking about black people this time, she has to be excommunicated in this way. it's reck it's nasty. it's got to stop. i think she should not have been suspended. she should have been told she was wrong, maybe in colorful ways but this isn't necessary. >> especially after an apology and another conversation. and ...

Big deal doesn't mean it's not a big deal. that doesn't inoculate you against the consequences of doing something that is wrong. >> no, that's absolutely right. and the intelligence community and inspector general has come out and said this is a big deal and urges concern that warrants an investigation not just from the intelligence community inspector general but also the intelligence communities. >> so giuliani's defense of the president is some whistleblowerwhistleblowers lie. you have relationships with whistleblowers in the past. what do you say about that? >> i'm sure, if anything, all o...

For crimes he pleaded guilty in federal court in washington, d.c. and the crimes he was found guilty of by a jury in federal court in virginia last year. joining us now is democratic congressman eric swalwell of california. he's a member of the house intelligence committee and the judiciary committee. thank you very much for joining us tonight on this breaking news, and what will be the democrats' reaction in the house of representatives if the president pardons paul manafort? >> well, again i think it would be to understand whether there was any agreement between the president and manafort th...

Justice that doesn't inoculate you from being brought up on charges for that. i think there's two things at play here, lawrence. there's the fact that corsi and manafort are both going cold at about the same time frame, and also this is happening at about the same time that the president just turned in his answers to special counsel. and so i also wonder whether the president and his team have dangled a pardon fearful that paul manafort may contradict some of the answers that the president has given. >> you mention jerome corsi who's publicly been saying he's been in talks about a possible ple...