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Go up from there. also, remember, as you point out, this is bank and tax fraud charges. this does not have to do with his time as chairman of the trump campaign, campaign chairman. it doesn't touch any of that. but next week the sentencing thursday will deal with some of that. a didn't judge, a different court. he's facing some serious jail time for both. >> as you say, this doesn't invoke the president saying this is not about the campaign, it's about tax fraud. given the fact that he will be sentenced days from now in washington as you invoked the mueller case. where are we with that? we're ...

Coverups, you covered it up from yourself. >> that may be, but it's the same as lying, so you can lie to someone else. >> there are some people that say the biggest lies we humans tell us are the lies we tell ourselves. but they're not purgistpurgists. >> yes. he wants us to believe his lie -- >> mr. corsi. >> yes. and destroying e-mails when they appear every other place, is not the best approach. >> let me take you back to roger stone pleading the fifth. let me say again seriously i don't infer too much from that. but what does it mean when someone does testify to congress, doesn't invoke th...

Victim of unabashed scorn and hatred by the media and he is, to his credit, fighting back. >> kimberly: may be the media needs the prescription for the trump derangement syndrome, dr. siegel end. >> absolutely. the president has shown a sense of humor we have not seen on the other side. he showed compassion when representative scalise got shot. on his birthday, he never mentioned it was his birthday. he only talked about the man being a fighter. right now, president trump is trying to look after a young baby. again, i'm not going to speculate about president trump, who i have not met. i don't ...

To his credit, fighting back. >> kimberly: maybe the media needs the prescription for the trump derangement syndrome,di dr. siegel. >> absolutely. the president has shown a sense of humor we have not seen on the other side. he showed compassion when representative scalise got shot. on his birthday, he never mentioned it was his birthday. he only talked about the man being a fighter. right now, president trump is trying to look after a young baby. again, i'm not going tont speculate about president trump, who i have not met. i don't know about his physical or mental health. but i will say it's ...

Very damaging. this is about foreign intelligence collection. this doesn't invoke the privacy rights of americans. i speak of these appear to be very, very serious, but at this time, that's all the information i have. just to say we are extremely concerned and we are following it closely. the one wikileaks out with document dump, a thousand documa efforts to spy. we've seen some of these documents, another program describing -- called on bridge. voluminous library of techniques the cia has collected. according to the release, a large number of techniques allows the cia to mask the origin of so...