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Is worthwhile in the other investigations. this is a financial matter that is strictly about what his new york finances were and nothing to do with perhaps the campaign and not a part of or donald trump and his campaign, he's not interested in all of the earnest attempts made in vain. >> jamie, how do you think the president will react if there's charges filed against michael cohen? >> we are seeing it every morning, whether it's -- he doesn't know -- he wakes up morning, he doesn't know what robert mueller has. we have the mcgahn revelations this week. now we have cohen. i think it builds and...

Come out next. and it's one of the reasons why the president doesn't know what's around the corner. >> congresswoman, a lot of people have come away from her interviews on television in the last two days and heard her point about if i hadn't recorded all this stuff i would be publicly destroyed. and people in this day and age say, okay, that makes sense. and further there's a conversation going on about her credibility. but that's kind of neutered by the fact she has tapes. >> well, and her credibility is being challenged by people who don't have any credibility. i mean why are we surprised sh...

Important to point out she was not only a white house staffer and contestant on "the apprentice" but she was very much a protége. she's been sort of trained by trump for more than a decade in reality television, in creating drama, in building a personal narrative and brand and becoming a capivating figure in the popular culture. she's known by one name omarosa like madonna or prince, and that to trump makes her magnetic. but it also -- you know, she knows how to play this game. she knows how to manipulate the media, knows how to create suspense around her book and around what tapes are going ...

Motion of teasing out parts of the story, continuing in interviews to say what you have, what's going to happen, and what you're going to do to this person. >> that's exactly right. these are trump tactics. and it's important to point out that she was not only a white house staffer and contestant on "the apprentice," but she was very much a protege. she has been sort of trained by trump for more than a decade in reality television, in creating drama, in building sort of personal narrative and brand and becoming a captivating figure in the popular culture. she is known by one name, omarosa, lik...

Develop other evidence, i can certainly imagine charges. that's the big mystery here is we do not know. rudy giuliani doesn't know, we don't know, donald trump doesn't know what robert mueller knows about potential collusion with russia. it's a big black hole and at some point we're going to find out, but we don't know now. >> and we've seen the mueller team building a case. they started first with the social media or manafort and gates and then social media and then the russians that hacked the dnc. there is that big last piece, what did the trump campaign know, if they knew anything, about c...