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Zero, created a surplus. you can argue what you want. they got health care together. it worked. it's good and bad, whatever you want to call it, it worked. santorum doesn't get a piece of that. >> he didn't quite say that. look, it's true, by the time rick santorum, i covered his 1994 campaign. he was a junior senator. just the fact he was in senate doesn't make him senior to gingrich. it's a bit of a shot, but based in reality. the other day, gingrich was saying openly he was ready to make common cause with santorum if he had to. the key to new hampshire, if gingrich finished in single digits...

Given. he could have been trying to wean him off, but that doesn't make him less guilty of a crime. >> thank you very much for joining us. thank you. now to the big interview with the president that msnbc contributor was able to secure moments ago. president obama spoke with him on his radio show. the president talked about the recent killing of the al qaeda leader and also talking about the plan to reduce the deficit and the current state of the nation's economy. >> if you have got a job right now that's stable and steady, then we want you to just be out there with confidence knowing that the...

Perp. >> is he more dangerous than the number two guy in al qaeda? is it possible that he could take over al qaeda? >> he's relatively young. he's a newcomer to the jihadi scene. when he lived in the united states in the sort of 2002 time period, he was living in virginia and people were saying this guy didn't seem particularly radical. it was after he emerged from a yemeni prison in 2006. so he's sort of new to the game, which doesn't make him less dangerous. i don't think he's in a position to take over big chunks of al qaeda. >> zawahiri, though, hi doesn't seem a real solid replacement for...

Perp. >> is he more dangerous than the number two guy in al qaeda? is it possible that he could take over al qaeda? >> he's relatively young. he's a newcomer to the jihadi scene. when he lived in the united states in the sort of 2002 time period, he was living in virginia and people were saying this guy didn't seem particularly radical. it was after he emerged from a yemeni prison in 2006. so he's sort of new to the game, which doesn't make him less dangerous. i don't think he's in a position to take over big chunks of al qaeda. >> zawahiri, though, hi doesn't seem a real solid replacement for...

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