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Push them on it. as he is now making the rounds, he needs to be pushed much harder to, in essence, show the evidence. what is the evidence? >> he could make charges and hide behind the court case right now. >> it's like any lawsuit. you could put anything you want into an allegation or lawsuit. that doesn't make it real, that it happened. i'm not saying -- i'm not judging what did or didn't happen. i'm saying to make an accusation like that is very, very serious and needs a follow-up. >> while serving as president. that's the implication. >> exactly. >> all right. i want to pivot quickly to th...