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Legislation that tears apart families and damages communities. tony perkins' organization has been supportive. heritage action has been supportive, because from a compassionate conservative side, it's hard to make a case you should keep the laws in place when they're so hard on members of our society that are most disadvantaged. >> i interviewed tim lynch and he said the sentences are far too harsh. this is something where libertarians can agree with progressives. how do you go and take that sentiment there from cado, a libertarian leader, and look at what's happening in congress and go beyond...

Senate. and probably watch it fail again. because nothing will change these people's minds because they fear the nra so much. >> last word from you, ryan. this seems to be a general hold the line. whatever trick they can use. and no deal on the budget even if it threatens another government shutdown. therest a group out there on the hard right that doesn't want to ever be caught dealing with obama on anything. >> right. and the specifics vary depending on the particular issue. this time it happens to be the nra that's wagging the party. but on different issues, it's different powerful groups. ...

>> yes, he absolutely -- in the white house, everybody now there gets the message. you asked earlier why kathleen sebelius or anybody in her department didn't get fired as a result of this. >> the person who doesn't exist, they can't fire a man or woman who doesn't have an assignment as the direct responsibility to the president. >> anybody you fire over there who doesn't have a senate confirmation can't be confirmed. >> this is one you cannot blame on the republicans. >> you can't blame the rollout on the republicans, but you can suggest why more heads or any heads haven't rolled. >> do you r...

People. that's not been an issue with mcdonough. he is considered if there's a critique of him internally it's he gets involved in too many things. that if something's going wrong, if somebody doesn't know how to shovel a driveway. he doesn't say let's show you how to do it. he just says give me the shovel, i'll do it. he's almost too stretched is the criticism you hear. >> why doesn't he fire people that aren't delivering? why doesn't he go to the president say, this person whether it's kathleen sebelius or her coos or somebody else, they're not doing b the job. i'm telling you. you're in the...

Little bit? not necessarily get it done people. that's not been an issue with mcdonough. he is considered if there's a critique of him internally it's he gets involved in too many things. that if something's going wrong, if somebody doesn't know how to shovel a driveway. he doesn't say let's show you how to do it. he just says give me the shovel, i'll do it. he's almost too stretched is the criticism you hear. >> why doesn't he fire people that aren't delivering? why doesn't he go to the president say, this person whether it's kathleen sebelius or her coos or somebody else, they're not doing t...