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Of coverage certainly doesn't mean care either. that's the part of that that's hard for people to understand. people keep saying coverage doesn't equal care and we're going to take away the coverage, where does the care come from? >> the care comes when people are able to go out in a market, an individual market, with a job, chris. remember that we are experiencing one of the worst and slowest economic recoveries in american history. when i know we get jobs back -- >> job growth. >> yeah, you're going to get job growth. those people are going to be able to go off of medicaid and have choices f...

Takes it on the chin is medicaid and that is used by a lot of people in republican districts. >> and it's also the part of obamacare that seems to have worked the best. >> right. >> a lot of people hate these plans that are offered through exchanges. they do, indeed, have high deductibles and high co-payments in a lot of cases. republicans have been making hay out of that for years saying this insurance isn't insurance, it doesn't pay for the care you need then they come out with a bill that would make those plans have even higher deductibles and co-payments but you're generally seeing higher ...

For the people of your district to come out on the right side of this bill. thank you for joining me, appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> i'm joined by the senior editor of business insider and msnbc contributor. part of the dynamics, he's a perfect example, he's supporting this although i think it's political suicide for him having just come from west virginia. medicaid is the thing -- this bill talks about how obamacare is collapsing but the thing that takes it on the chin is medicaid and that is used by a lot of people in republican districts. >> and it's also the part of obamacare th...

Paul ryan hass articulated that very well, i believe the three-step plan and everything we're planning to do is going to bring innovation to the market. you're going to have an individual market where people will have a choice. >> we'll see. >> remember, chris, coverage does not equal care. >> that's right. >> if that's your measuring stick. >> i agree with that and a lot of people on the single payer left have been making that argument for years but absence of coverage certainly doesn't mean care either. that's the part of that that's hard for people to understand. people keep saying coverage...