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That doesn't mean laws were broken. >> and that leads us to what the attorney general jeff sessions is looking into right now. he is looking into the clinton foundation. he has announced that he may consider appointing a special prosecutor to look at, once again, uranium one deal that was done in 2010, as we pointed out, there have been all sorts of government agencies that signed off on it. it wasn't just hillary clinton deciding this unilaterally. so where is this going to lead, david? >> let's just go back. candidate trump threatened during a presidential debate to put his political opponen...

They were told if we get the senate, the house, the presidency, well, now they have all three and the way the conservatives look at it is, this isn't a big enough departure from obamacare. so i think a lot of people just -- they're not afraid of the effects of trumpcare in the same sense that democrats are concerned about it. i think it's really they don't believe it's conservative enough. and the senators are reacting to that. i think i heard ron johnson is more on the fence now than he was earlier. and now obviously mike lee has come out hard against it. and i expect overs to follow suit. >>...

Meanwhile, for his part president trump who has long denied any type of collusion now seems to be admitting that if any attempted collusion did take place, it was not a big deal and his son would have been, yes, crazy not to try to take a meeting for potential collusion with russia. let me read you the quote. most politicians would have gone to a meeting like the one don junior attended in order to get info on an opponent. that's politics. >> the question isn't whether this is politics. it's whether it involved espionage. you have the president's own defense lawyer, jay sekulow, making the rou...

Presidency, well, now they have all three and the way the conservatives look at it is, this isn't a big enough departure from obamacare. so i think a lot of people just -- they're not afraid of the effects of trumpcare in the same sense that democrats are concerned about it. i think it's really they don't believe it's conservative enough. and the senators are reacting to that. i think i heard ron johnson is more on the fence now than he was earlier. and now obviously mike lee has come out hard against it. and i expect overs to follow suit. >> you're talking about the argument that you can be a...

Again be consuming time and energy not on transportation, health care, but on the bizarre antics of the white house. >> thanks for your time continue, congressman. now i want to turn for more analysis, malcolm nans and matt miller and also a former aid to eric holder. matt miller, you know how defenses work. your view of the shift from a denial or alibi posture, as i was talking to the congressman, the argument we didn't do it, to actually we were there, if we did it, it's no big gee. >> two arguments at work. one to use a watergate phrase, the previous statement was no longer operate fich the...