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Think, is the only _ this ruling. well, delighted, i think, is the only thing - this ruling. well, delighted, i think, is the only thing i - this ruling. well, delighted, i think, is the only thing i can l this ruling. well, delighted, i- think, is the only thing i can say. just within the context that we had ten months in which families and young people have struggled enormously by the impact of this. it has caused so much heartache and anguish to see this being overturned is such a relief. just such a massive relief. what it doesn't negate is the harm that has done in that period of time, so...

Buzzfeed being the one that put it out. >> right. this is a part where it's like you're a liar and a thief and arson. i'm not an arson. i got you. i'm not an arson. let's be honest. does anyone not believe that donald trump has had michael cohen lie for him. >> cohen has said that. >> yeah. >> so the possibility that maybe donald trump didn't specifically with smoke signals and a giant airplane and a banner tell him to lie to congress in this particular instance, doesn't negate the fact that he has done illegal things for the president in the past. i would argue that even if the mueller invest...

Was that discussed during the campaign? and if so, was it discussed in the context of actions that the russians were taking as they themselves basically have shown on behalf of the trump campaign? >> is it the quid pro question already established in the russians promising dirt on hillary clinton and don jr. say, yeah, i love it? >> well, the interest in the -- >> i mean if it didn't materialize, doesn't negate the fact it was offered and they agreed. >> what we don't have is donald trump jr. or anyone saying in exchange for that help, we will do this. i don't think we have anything that i've ...

Sharks to go in and -- >> but john to the point of bakari and hilary, didn't he rail against wall street? let's just be honest. and hillary clinton should release transcripts has more ties to wall street and big money than any other candidate. >> and those guys extrude you. >> and now this and billionaire wilbur ross as secretary. list of millionaires and billionaires adding to the cabinet. shouldn't be be honest about that john? >> i remember him saying we have people that negotiate bad deals and he's going to come in and hire the best. captains of industry, bring in people to use those skill...

Community college. he tried to get into the marines. he was patriotic. >> reporter: of course carol, you can compare the comments of his former attorney with the long history that he's had of run-ins with the law before this and the police confidence they have the right man right now. and make your own decisions about that. carol? >> i talked just a little bit ago with his past attorney. just because his dna was found on a piece of pizza doesn't mean he's guilty necessarily. >> reporter: that's true of any case out there. it also doesn't negate the fact that he does have a long history of prob...