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Look, north korea, since '09, has pulled itself out of any -- it may have been a charade in terms of the protocols for nuke development. they have been able to get the technology that gordon described from pakistan, from iran, others, to achieve this capability. what we saw with the launch looks like probably solid fuel, which is denser, which gives you more thrust, and gives you more altitude, which is exactly what they achieved. and the additional piece, was a reentry vehicle. they brought this back down. they put things in space before, that's it. they've never been able to take ate from ex...

Keith. by definition, is it fair to say that anybody that would go into a shooting like this is, by definition, mentally ill? whether they have an agenda or not have an agenda, normal, healthy people have empathy and don't go shooting innocent people especially if they have to answer a question like if they're a christian. is that a fair statement? >> absolutely, sean. that's why i keep saying that mental health care and case finding of people who are psychologically disturbed is the way to combat this, not gun laws. so you're absolutely right. it is the failure of empathy. empathy defines hum...

What police do and which police interface with people in the city of new york city that actually will determine what the quality of life is. the numbers suggest that crime is -- violent crime is down, maybe a slight uptick in terms of shootings. but governor christie doesn't even want to acknowledge that data that's there. i don't even know how to engage in a conversation with someone who doesn't operate on the basis of facts. facts matter. >> they certainly do. christie had tough words for president obama today. >> the president has encouraged this lawlessness. sanctuary cities across the cou...

Doesn't operate. it doesn't do screening overseas. it has represents that with security officials and make recommendations and so on. i spoke with michael chertoff who said one challenge is these countries don't have are the resourceses we have. it's something they have to deal with. that said, they have long-running relationships with these countries. they have been able to communicate these warnings before. >> let's talk about it. tom furks entes here with us as well. cnn national security analyst bob behr on the phone. tom, this is interesting. jim is saying it is a vulnerability that's bee...

And the livelihoods of your men and women that are in the military and in the civil service. to actually believe that a video could have done that. don't you ask a critical question, is that true? are you sure? can we check that? can you prove it to me? that's what i think -- the lack of asking questions is a problem across the government, in big corporations. whenever there's a problem like gm, it's a problem because people weren't asking questions and they were afraid to ask questions, just like it seems like we're trying to soft pedal who the extremists really were. >> we have to go, but th...