look, north korea, since '09, has pulled itself out of any -- it may have been a charade in terms of the protocols for nuke development. they have been able to get the technology that gordon described from pakistan, from iran, others, to achieve this capability. what we saw with the launch looks like probably solid fuel, which is denser, which gives you more thrust, and gives you more altitude, which is exactly what they achieved. and the additional piece, was a reentry vehicle. they brought this back down. they put things in space before, that's it. they've never been able to take ate from extra atmospheric and bring it back down to earth. they did just the other day. that should be very, very concerning to us and it is. >> you get to this per flplexin question. the general said something we hear from time to time. north korea doesn't operate in a