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Does a judge have to decide in the end? i think that s right. the judge wouldn t have to decide if mcgahn just stepped up and volunteered to do his duty as a citizen. but from his lawyer s standpoint, if i were representing him, that s a safe move. i would rather have my client be ordered by a judge to come forward and really protect him from criticism both ethically if there s any issues of privilege being asserted later, and also protect him of course politically as well. so if they don t get that judge s order, is the prospect of his testimony dead in the water? oh, i think so. if the judge doesn t go with them, there could be appeal from that obviously. but if the judge doesn t order him, i do not think mcgahn will testify. shan wu, always have to have your expertise. thanks very much. good to see you. the search for the nation s top intelligence official, the director of national intelligence back to square one after president trump s first choice, john ratcliffe, abru ....

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