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Notably recently, javelin, shorter range, man portable weapons, nothing on the scale of a tank. there's a seqconsequence of tha. there's a strong sense that the president downwards is determined that his country will fight, but he's also determined to try to dial down on the level of rhetoric, make sure that his country doesn't panic because that, he says, plays into the hands of his enemy. this is a comment he made earlier today. >> all right, sam kiley, we appreciate the insight. thank you so much. >> here with us now to break down these rising tensions abroad, nic robertson in moscow and a ...

Maybe one diver in front and one behind? how do they do that? these are tight passages. >> i think you're absolutely right. i think they'll have two to one. now, breathing in a mixture of air because of the position in there, but i think they'll have one in front, one in back. the full face mask will help and the communication will help. constantly talk to these kids, keep them calm, let them know what's going on because they won't be able to see anything. it's disorienting. i think you're right. one in the back, one in the front and then just guide each child through independently and separat...

Could happen, these kids are young enough they may not have as much fear. would you agree with that? >> possibly. you know, i have my own son and he doesn't have any fear. i'll tell you, you know, that may be the case with some of the children or some of them might be the opposite and completely clam up. the reality is talking about this thai navy s.e.a.l. who unfortunately passed away coming back through, this is a person who has extensive experience and understands the frame of mind and, you know, probably doesn't panic in those type of situations and been through it. it's a scary thought. a...

>> this has been going on for decades. >> okay, reverend scott, okay, okay. >> this is going on for decades. it began with them showing the fake photographs of children in cages that were placed in cages under the obama administration. it's simply a talking point. it's a deflection because of the success -- >> reverend, if it was wrong then, then it's wrong now. >> okay. but if it was wrong then, you should have cried about it then like you're crying about it now. >> i did. >> waited until trump got in office. you're trying to use it as a political maneuver simply to have something -- >> rever...

He didn't like children separated from their parents. you had crying chuck schumer saying all the president has to do is pull out an ink pen and sign the order. then when he does sign the order, you have the same ones that cried about the order being signed complaining about the order that was signed. i don't get it. >> my question is, though, how come the white house is been saying, no, no, no. the president can't just sign an order, the president can't make a phone call about this. today the president did just that. >> the order he signed apparently he can't just sign an order because the or...