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Really meritless objections they've been doing routinely for the depositions of the state department folks or ukraine folks. i think they probably won't and that they will proceed with dispatch. they can try the same tactic, but right now the initiative is in congress, and they could still go forward if the white house doesn't play ball. that's one big difference with where things have been going all the way to date with the aftermath of the mueller report. >> that's a great, great point there about how much of this, this sort of balance of power, perceived power matters in the actual legal fr...

The russian overture. before jared. he heard in april, as you pointed out. he knows he's going to proceed very systematically like a steam roller and he brings in, why did he bring in manafort today? to remind him that his life is in jeopardy. that he's a 70-year-old man, he's going to face 30 or 40 years in prison if he doesn't play ball. so anything manafort has done or overheard or has reason to know about, he's going to produce it. i think that's what's coming. >> thinking about the president at a personal level, him reacting to this -- >> yes. >> -- in his business life he ran a small bus...

Going to face 30 or 40 years in prison if he doesn't play ball. so, anything manafort has done or overheard or has reason to know about, he's going to produce it. i think that's what's coming. >> thinking about the president at a personal level, him reacting to this -- >> yes. >> -- in his business life, he ran a small business. it had a lot of money, did a lot of stuff, but there weren't a lot of people who worked in the trump organization. the great preponderance of them were his children. he's not used to having people working on his behalf whose own behavior can get him in trouble and refl...

Carrier and a submarine loaded with tom a hawk missiles and a president who's saying better stop or things might happen. and they seem to have the pieces of the puzzle in place to make things happen if north korea doesn't play ball. >> well, you have to define what that means. are they going to attack tomorrow, next week? this is -- i'm just very worried, and i have to say i hope this new policy succeeds. but i have seen it over and be over again. over and over again. that an american president talks tough, moves military forces to the area, the chinese step up, the north koreans take a lower ...

Infestation. and with the christie scandals, you know, in the end, it's unclear whether christie will be found guilty of wrongdoing. but as you pointed thought the intro, the two things that he had going for him, which were bipartisanship and strength have now become liabilities. the bipartisanship looks like cronyism. and the strength looks like bullying. given that, i find it hard to believe that he can recover his national profile after all this. >> jonathan, you know what suburbanites hate? big city politics. it's one of the reasons they fled to the suburbs. they can't stand this oh, we're...