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What did you learn from this indictment yesterday about the size of that effort? >> i mean, i think we learned that there was a real concerted effort, starting back in 2014, to actually influence american politics. i do think that the one thing we need to take apart what he said in the indictment there are no allegations that it affected the election. right? he specifically -- his words were really specific yesterday. he specifically said that this indictment doesn't point to that. what he didn't say was that they're not still investigating him. he didn't say that there was no collusion. he di...

Russia involvement is a violation of federal election laws, reporting acts. those are the kind of things we would have expected because that's the underlying theme of this indictment. why not charge that conduct? what are the things that this indictment doesn't tell us? believe me, we do not know the mueller team's entire end game and certainly did not get the full picture when the deputy a.g. gave that press conference the other day. they're not showing their hand completely. there are more things, surely, to come. there have to be. because any investigation, in my opinion, doesn't begin to e...

Senate and the house intelligence committee to the role that social media did play as part of this. it's very much laid out in that indictment yesterday. we've also been speaking with social media companies. what they say is that belatedly, maybe, they are recognizing the role that their own platforms played in this and they are trying to address the problem and increasingly are saying they want the government to guide us in that effort. they're taking steps to do so. we've seen legislation put forward, amy klobuchar has done that, to create transparency to the political spending on facebook a...

That this was handled, you know, in a wrong manner and would you do it again differently? he said one-word answer. he said no. that doesn't point to an administration who understands that there is something wrong here. and as much as they want to blame it on the vetting process, to me right here, the vetting process works. the fbi told them the information. the vetting process was not what was wrong here. the vetting process was not what failed. what failed was the moral character and the understanding that having a wife beater in the white house is not something that you should have in the wh...

Details of this, but we all knew shortly after it was published, we being everyone in the white house, which is just avoiding the question. it just sort of drags it on. >> that's exactly right. i think what jason laid out, while, yes, that would be the ideal, that would never happen in this white house. first of all, in order for this to be really cleaned up, you have to have somebody admit there was something wrong and there needs to be something cleaned up. trump on down refuses to ever say that anything was wrong. john kelly himself said -- "the wall street journal" asked him today or yeste...