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They're professional prosecutors and defenders, they know how to cross-examine witnesses, they know how to not let them get off the hook. i think the staff questions will be a much more effective way of getting at the truth. what the committees need to do right now is tell the story. and i think what they're attempting to do is tell a story of bribery, and that's what you'll hear them do with various state department, diplomatic, white house staff and others that will be testifying in the coming weeks. >> that's really one of the ideas that we've been seeing democrats play out here. you said b...

House, i think, kind of clamped down on him and got him to back off that, and now they're claiming absolute immunity. absolute immunity is not something recognized by the law. no one has absolute immunity, especially if you're looking at potential crimes that were committed. i think even the ambivalence here looking to cover himself shows that people close to the president are starting to be very nervous about defending the president, i think because they realize the case is very strong. >> julian, thank you very much. we really appreciate it. >> brianna, thanks for having me. the roger ston...