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All this, what is new is the scab dallas. >> this isn't just him, this is every president who says "i hate the media," but in this instance, it is not, it doesn't ring true. he came out --. >> he tried to make news. he has a rose garden news conference on immigration. what happened? >> he said, i will study it. >> but this reminds me of when i was invited to cover the women and girls initiative that was hosted by hillary clinton. i like to write about substantive policy issues on women and girls and i get there and the main news story is that chelsea announces she pregnant. that summit on wome...

Policies he's been talking about are exactly the same, as well. the things that are new are the scandals. >> but this isn't just equal to him. this isn't just him. this is every president who says i hate the media, i hate the way i'm being covered. but in this snant instance, it's not -- it doesn't ring true. he came out -- go ahead. >> he tried to make news. he had the rose garden news conference on immigration. >> he came out and said i'm going to study it. >> can i throw out an analogy. this reminds me of when it got chose to cover the women and children's policies with hillary clinton. i g...

We're trying cases. we say the defendant didn't react appropriately. now, the first time i saw that footage, i didn't think that much about it, now, having seen it so many times now, it looks like total fakery, he's going -- hitting the chest, and then you have the big breath, and it doesn't ring true. human beings react in different ways to surprise information. but if that were offered in court, i don't think it would help him very much. they would have to edit out nancy grace's reaction, by the way, because that would be hearsay. >> you think? >> i'm afraid so, yes. >> what about the stepmo...

The problem is not any of that. it's that she said she has no regrets. you have no regrets that you delivered the wrong information to the american public on five different shows that day? >> even president obama has said, julie, i don't know if he used the word regret, but they wished they had not done what they did or they had better information. >> i think you're missing the larger picture, which she almost made john mccain speechless. >> kidding? >> that's true, that's not easy to do. >> and commendable, i might add. >> the problem here is, i have this theory. it's called poop island. once...

It's that she said she has no regrets. you have no regrets that you delivered the wrong information to the american public on five different shows that day? >> even president obama has said, julie, i don't know if he used the word regret, but they wished they had not done what they did or they had better information. >> i think you're missing the larger picture, which she almost made john mccain speechless. >> kidding? >> that's true, that's not easy to do. >> and commendable, i might add. >> the problem here is, i have this theory. it's called poop island. once you're there, you can't get off...