we're trying cases. we say the defendant didn't react appropriately. now, the first time i saw that footage, i didn't think that much about it, now, having seen it so many times now, it looks like total fakery, he's going -- hitting the chest, and then you have the big breath, and it doesn't ring true. human beings react in different ways to surprise information. but if that were offered in court, i don't think it would help him very much. they would have to edit out nancy grace's reaction, by the way, because that would be hearsay. >> you think? >> i'm afraid so, yes. >> what about the stepmother. the boy is talking and said she's the one who put him in the basement and told him not to come out no matter what he hears. that could be damaging for her? >> absolutely, it's damaging. there are so many unanswered questions here. authorities searched that basement several times. where was this child, how was he