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They're going to grow somewhat slower. >> yes. listen, i've been a huge fan of what china has achieved. it is absolutely unparalleled. but here is my concern about china. in their desire to keep growing at what is a relatively fast growth rate, they are creating far too much debt to do so. just one simple statistic here. until about 2007 it took roughly $1 a debt to generate $1 of growth in china. last five years, it's taken more than $3 of debt to generate $1 off growth in china. >> people don't think of china as indebted. they think of it as a huge foreign exchange reserves and the country d...

The nasty stuff. >> her husband's better. >> yeah. so maybe what they want to do is shorten the field to one or two opponents. not give her any threat. make sure martin o'malley doesn't run against them, make sure joe biden doesn't run against them. make sure andrew doesn't run against them from new york. run against a couple skinny guys who don't mean anything. but you'll win. is that the plan? if bill's tough, i'm arguing, hillary doesn't have to be so tough. >> he's sending a signal -- >> can you answer that question? is that -- >> bill should be the tough guy. he's doing the right thing. >...

There's two big retirements that the democrats are bracing for. they seem to be prepared for the frank lautenberg one in new jersey. a little they're more concerned, but they're expecting potentially one in south dakota with tim johnson and they know if he doesn't run, in what would already have been a tough race will be even a larger uphill climb. up next, changing the way the game is played. will other states follow virginia's lead and shut down this effort to up end the electoral colleging? bob mcdonald is coming in to talk about, plus guns, immigration, future of his party and new evidence...

It's not been quite the same as the gop. i think you're going to see more of that. this is really going to play out, though, guys in 2015 and 2016, i think you'll see the fault line in the party populist versus an elite fault line. and i think you'll see him as a reformer taking on public employees, talking about having sort of tighten the belt on fiscal issues. and then you're going to see somebody who is that old-time candidate, talking about populism, holding true to the true faith. >> hey, jonathan, it's heilmann. just to play off that last point. >> yeah. >> is it not the case that if sec...

To cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >> before we go, do you think there is a chance that scott brown won't run? >> he is waiting in the wings if scott brown doesn't run? >> he ran for governor of new york and more power to him if he he can pull it off but national republicans and the money thinks he has the best shot. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, our final update or the year. on the kind fund. i'll read some of the comments that you have left about it. in the rewrite tonight i can understand ...