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I'd be happy to discuss those with you and continue the presentation. >> bret: sure, go ahead. because that is the question that most republicans have when they hear the presentations. and the attack on republican plan. what is the democratic plan, even that democrat riven says is unsustainable. >> no doubt, we have a challenge in medicare going forward in the affordable care act, the reform act we passed last year, we put in place mechanisms to first reduce cost of healthcare throughout the system. medicare is a player in larger system. we have want to reduce the cost. we also made reforms in...

Said there was a democratic plan that cost more. >> yeah, but -- >> bret: it was also. >> but the point here we are talking about the other aspects of the budget. revenue piece trying to shut down on the corporate loopholes, because what their budget says is let's squeeze method care beneficiaries rather than closing the loopholes and using the revenues. >> those were two of his charts. dealt with. >> the lead choice in competition, where it worked everywhere else. worked well applied in healthcare. actually helps people stretch their healthcare dollar farther than government monopoly with a g...

Understanding of the plan. in fact, it would reduce the budget costs to the federal government. but what the problem is for the united states in the case of healthcare is that all of our healthcare costs are going up. the ryan plan according to the estimates in the congressional budget office would substantially raise the total cost of services for people covered by medicare. >> it's important to point out that the cbo is a calculator. what you put in, you get it. >> there is the inarbiter, they're a nonpartisan group. they do straight analysis. doug was the head of the organization. much admi...

>> bret: back with a look at the special panel with look at the crystal ball on the issue. >> you can't take this crystal ball out of the election. it will be front and center in the election. republican primary will be a demand by voters that each of the candidates come up with something if they don't support the ryan plan. it will be alive and well inside the republican primaries, the democrats will use it to beat republicans over the head, which they've done quite successionfully succo far >> bret: henry? >> i want to frame with what i think is at stake. today, all medicare beneficiaries ha...

Control costs. you have to get into a prom that controls cost. in fairness to paul ryan, congressional budget office shows that his plan will substantially cut healthcare spending costs. that is out there. a then there are democrat like alice rivlin who will inject market forces in a plan. she doesn't go as far as paul ryan but when she wants to inject the market forces and have the beneficiary take more personal responsibility for their medical care. the doctors aren't giving out tests over and over and over again. i think you do have to go that route to get to the root of the problem. >> bre...