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And what's fake is the -- >> right. it's manufactured. you are talking to somebody who disagreed with george bush's policies who remains offended by the willie horton ad, as really -- that was an independent ad, you know. >> it was a diluted version. >> it was really bad. but who longs for the ability to look at someone who doesn't share your politics and see. but this is basically a decent person. this is a person i can talk to. this is a person with whom we could perhaps work something out. not a mortal lifetime enemy with whom i can't even converse. >> gene is so right, and this is what the...

Was it a fair question and how do you think the answer went? >> it's fair to ask any president that, but there's no question that president trump is the most transparent, honest, forthright president we've ever had. >> harris: why do you say that? >> he overcommunicates, almost to his detriment. he goes to twitter, he speaks directly to the american people without any filter, without going through a surrogate and that's powerful and that's really largely unprecedented in american history with the president. and in working back from there, embedded in the very question or the criticism of the p...

Preparing this cover story that this was an interrogation gone wrong. would that matter? >> i don't think so. number one, it is going to be hard for them to prove to know about it. number two, the king and the prince are captains of the ship. they're ultimately responsible. a couple of things i think we need to keep in mind. number one, america's foreign policy should be anchored in values. the toughest job in foreign policy that the president has is to deal with an authoritarian despit that doesn't share our values. i think we have to condemn what the saudis did here in the strongest possible...

Sense of a.micability that the rest of the world doesn't share. >> david swerdlick, assistant editor for "the washington post," cnn supreme court analyst that covered the high court 25 years, and former u.s. attorney harry lipman who clerked for justice kennedy. now professor at uc san diego. joe, i want to tap into your wealth of knowledge. fair to say we have never seen a confirmation process like this. put it in perspective. spell out why this was unique. >> first of all, when you take all of the last century, most of the early supreme court nominees were approved on voice vote. it wasn't a...

With respect and dignity and with a sense of amicablity that the rest of the world often doesn't share. >> david, the significance of both of them speaking out now? >> well, this was a previously scheduled appearance at princeton, and no doubt they're both upset that they had to be there in the current maelstrom. but carl mentioned this is bad for the country. this is terrible for the supreme court, and those two justices and all the others recognize that they will now be in the center of the storm for years and potentially decades. they hate this. this further politicizes the institution. but...