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Critic's credibility. >> former congressman david jolly and susan delpercio, guys, thank you very much. again, we are still waiting for the prime minister, shinzo abe, and the president to come out and talk to reporters. i do want to go back to nick christoff because he is still standing by. we were talking a moment ago about japan and what they want. if the president doesn't sit down in the meeting with kim jong-un and address the abductees, and if he does not address the missiles that can reach japan, how does abe react? >> well, i think there is a general sense that abe has misplayed his ha...

History of the office. i suspect the issue whether or not the president can be subpoenaed has been fully briefed and that if the president wants to push that route as apoesopposed to a volu interview i think he's going to win. >> do you believe that will absolutely happen if the president doesn't sit down for an interview voluntarily? >> i think so. because i think that the nature of the inquiry that mueller is under a mandate to conclude requires the president's testimony. and there's no way to obtain the sort of closure he needs on many of his issues within his mandate without the president'...

What would you say? as a prosecutor, what would you say to that argument? >> that's the argument i make all the time when i want to get a defendant in to talk to me. the prosecutor wants to learn the other side of the story so he knows whether he is playing against a good land or a bad hand. i want to look at your whole card so i want you to give me your sworn testimony well in advance of the trial. if in fact you are completely innocent and there is absolutely no possibility of any construction of facts that would lead to your being charged with a crime, then, yes, it is a useful gamble to go...

Subpoena the president. and if he does that, how would the president. a former deputy assistant secretary for policy at the u.s. department of homeland security. danny cevallos is an msnbc legal analyst. marie ashavesti is a former lecturer at berkeley. paul, you've been through this from the special counsel side before. so mueller right now would like an interview with the president. we heard that maybe rudy giuliani's saying it is still not entirely impossible that would happen. the prospect apparently of a subpoena has been floated. if the president doesn't sit down. this move today to put ...

Days. they may have mutual respect for one another. but mueller has more respect for the process he's under taking which is to determine whether or not there was criminal activity that falls within his mandate. rudy giuliani is not going to change from that pursuit. he may say what's this all about. he may give an answer or not. but he will do what the facts and evidence require of him irrespective of his relationship with rudy giuliani. >> can it end if the president doesn't sit down is and talk to mueller and/or his investigators? >> that would be the beginning. think bit. he has an interest...