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Swamp in the ukraine just like president trump is draining the swamp here, so the democrats can say all they want -- here's what we know. here is what we know. this whistle-blower, the so-called whistle-blower didn't have any first-hand knowledge of what took place, wasn't on the call. i bet this whistle-blower hasn't even seen the transcript until today, but we do know this about the whistle-blower, he had a political bias against the president. the inspector general told us that. those are the facts we know. the whistle-blower goes to the ig to tell this inspector general, he looks at this, ...

Investigated by the united states attorney for the district of columbia for committing perjury, lying under oath. nevertheless, he does give such a detailed explanation of rosen sign's comments that it just doesn't square with rosenstein's assertion that this was a joke. i said it sarcastically. steve: at the same time they can both be true. >> yes. steve: mr. rosenstein could have been joking and mr. mccabe took it serious. >> it didn't happen. if you ask me where i think this is going to go? nowhere. will there are other issues confronting the president and other issues confronting the doj t...

The whole circle, and we're looking at different things. and i have to tell you that it is a mental problem, and i've said it 100 times, it's not the gun that pulls the trigger, it's the person that pulls the trigger. >> that doesn't square with what he said after the el paso and dayton shootings. >> well, i'm looking to do background checks. i think background checks are important. i think we can do meaningful, very meaningful background checks. i want to see it happen. >> president trump's change of tone not sitting well with the 2020 democrats or senator joe mnuchin of west virginia who spo...

Population, but if it affects beijing, a color revolution, that's what they fear. i don't think that's realistic but it's a great concern for them. what should we be doing. internationalize this, send signals to the chinese, there will be consequences if this turns into a massive tiananmen square, and that doesn't square with the president's narrative. he is trying desperately tota g a trade deal done for 2020. let's hope cooler heads prevail. >> add mermiral, the pacific th, this is your old neighborhood, you have hung around there a lot. it's more than what the president refers to as this ho...

One of the things i find interesting is how facts become facts because they're in a newspaper as opposed to the record. >> all right. that was labor secretary al alexander acosta trying to defend his judgment on the plea deal he made with jeffrey epstein a decade ago. joining us now is julie k. brown. her investigative work at the miami herald has led to major breaks in this epstein case. julie, great to have you here. you are the sort of foremost authority on -- because you've looked back at the records -- on what went down. so when he talked about the history of this case yesterday in that p...