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He's guilty of but he's clearly guilty. >> that has been your view from the beginning. you have been quite certain i think for months now there's something there and you're someone who obviously was on that prosecution team for watergate. what you're saying is you don't think that the president wanted him fired because robert mueller had a fees dispute with a northernern virginia golf course that trump owned. that doesn't stand for you? >> that doesn't stand up, the idea that he was angry because he couldn't play golf and the fees were too high just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> i mean, none...

Northernern virginia golf course that trump owned. that doesn't stand for you? >> that doesn't stand up, the idea that he was angry because he couldn't play golf and the fees were too high just doesn't make a lot of sense. >> i mean, none of this does other than the fact that we know a crime was committed. we know that the russians broke into the democratic national committee. they stole e-mails. we know that you know, a month later, that papadopoulos who was his foreign policy adviser was told about this. we know that june 4th, goldstone wrote to don junior saying he was going to bring the di...

The facts as disclosed by the transcript. you have to take a little bit of information here and there and build a narrative around them that the real context explodes, and i think that's been the difficulty, is that they've built this narrative, or at least some have built this narrative on a very selected little set of facts. but now that the whole thing is out there, the story that they were shopping just doesn't stand up. >> if the argument is well-run, the people who have the facts on their side should win the argument in the end and persuade the people who had a misunderstanding of the fa...

Were somehow involved in all of that. and i think at that point things got complicated and departs from the facts as disclosed by the transcript. you have to take a little bit of information here and there and build a narrative that the real context explodes and i think that's been the difficulty is they have built this narrative or at least some have built this narrative on a very selected little set of facts but now that the whole thing is out there, the story that they were shopping just doesn't stand up. >> if the argument is well-run, the people who have the facts on their side should win...

Of it is that this latest where that effort to cause a distraction from the tasks before us really doesn't stand up, that in reality, the steele dossier which i think drives a lot of republicans crazy was actually perfectly legitimate intelligence product by an experienced former senior person in the mi-6 russia desk who has had his work regularly taken seriously and valued by law enforcement and intelligence services in the united states. and that the timing is very different than has been suggested, that the steeles doier wdossier was not prokt product of a democratic political effort, it wa...