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Investigations. and, you know, they'll find nothing in the e-mails on benghazi and then we'll be debating chelsea's wedding plans. that is what this is all about, joe, and the new york times got snuckered by the benghazi folks. you remember the 60 minutes controversy, other mainstream media reporters who've taken information from the republicans and doesn't quite add up to what they thought it was. and there were republican lawyers calling all over reporters all day yesterday pushing exactly the point you're pushing there, joe. and it just doesn't stand up. >> no no hold on a second. i'm not g...

To make. >> it is an argument that doesn't stand up. and to show the twisted logic. i can't get beyond, i can't get past vice president cheney acting like iran-contra was just made to look bad. that's the kind of twisted logic we're dealing with here. >> he is thumbing his nose at the rule of law. he is reminding the public that this isn't the first time that a rogue administration has embarked on a broad criminal conspiracy. and gotten away with it. so it is kind of a signal that this is the kind of thing that will happen again. he is somebody who deeply believes in executive authority. so he...

And he did it in the first term, coming to the second term when the event happened on the bridge. he was at the height of his powers and presumably the height of his knowledge. that is why people doubt. they may give him credence for saying he didn't know about this before it happened. the notion he didn't know anything fraumpt day that the bridge closing happened until he was basic surprised it just doesn't stand up given what we know about the way the office is set up and about the way the man operates. >> and that runs at me with everything i know about politics. we will get to the law in o...

On employees. the labor unions don't want obamacare. >> under the way you do it, 89,000 people in your district have no insurance. it hasn't worked that way. that's why you need a new way. congressman tim huelskamp, always appreciate you coming on this show. you do come on. thank you and have a great evening. >> thank you. you bet. now i want to bring in karen finney. karen. >> yes. >> the congressman doesn't believe that the federal government can run health care, but then he says they can run it for him and members of congress. >> right. >> and we should have options. and there are options...

Everybody's talking about if we don't do something, that it's going to undermine our credibility in the region. well, what happens if we do do something and we don't finish assad? what are our allies going to say? what kind of assad will crawl out and beat his chest and say i won and here i am. how will allies respond to that? >> reporter: the other part of that argument is that if the united states doesn't stand up even on a moral level, then what's the point? what's the point of standing for the kind of morality that the u.s. tends to stand for? >> i think you have to make decisions on a cas...